I sat down with my friend and mentor Dr. Russell Jaffe to talk about thyroid autoimmunity a week ago. We had a great discussion - he’s a wealth of knowledge.
If you want to learn more about immunity, specifically thyroid autoimmunity, this interview is for you.
Be well,
Dr. Stillman
Unedited transcript below.
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So Dr. Jaffe, thank you for joining me here this morning, I wanted to talk to you about something that I get a lot of questions about and that I'm sure you'll agree it's very, let's just say there's a lot of hay made about it in, in the integrative natural and also the conventional medical world. And that's thyroid in, or rather autoimmunity, and the immune system in general, in thyroid illness. And I think this is something that I'm excited to talk to you about, because so few people with expertise in the immune system, have the willingness to actually talk about where the rubber really meets the road with thyroid and immune system. And there's so much to cover, it's hard to know even know where to start. So wherever we start, we will need to cover a lot of different ground, succinctly clearly.
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And, yes, the subject of thyroid health, and especially thyroiditis, which means auto immune, impairment of the thyroid
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starts in the gland itself.
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So let's start with one is this funny shaped thing in your neck?
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That is the energy source and powerhouse for all of metabolism.
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Most people think of the thyroid in terms of are you hot or cold? Or are you gaining weight losing weight, sleeping, sleeping too little? I think that tricks a lot of them into thinking I need more thyroid hormone.
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And more is not often the answer. I agree. The answer is to stop the auto immunity to induce repair because inflammation is really repair deficit. That's such an interesting concept. Would you expand on that? Oh, sure. The reason for thyroid itis
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is the blood thyroid barrier doesn't get repaired.
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It becomes permeable.
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It becomes leaky.
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And then platelets and white cells go into the gland to repair it.
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This is the part that pathologist miss. Hmm. This is the part that physiologists and biochemist and molecular biologists understand.
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Anti thyroid antibodies of all stripes and flavors are produced in the gland as part of the immune repair process.
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So that's not something to suppress about that. How about that? And so the what you're saying is the antibodies that people will worry about, and, and spend a lot of time chasing, chasing with herbs and supplements and diet and lifestyle changes. You know, what's your thought, you know, based on your training experience, when you see a high level of those antibodies? Yes, I'll give a case example.
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My colleague in Milwaukee, Wisconsin,
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had a dear patient dear friend and patient
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who had antibodies against the thyroid at a level of 25,000. That's extremely high, extremely high. And what the person decided to do was our lfra lymphocyte response assay, cell culture and lifestyle program.
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In six months, the antibodies were half
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in 12 months, the antibodies were still barely detectable. And in 18 months they were going
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without fighting with what was actually a helpful response.
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By enabling through the use of antioxidants like a score of eight, and enhanced magnesium uptake using choline citrate,
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and enough vitamin D, which is really a neuro hormone,
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and enough iodine and iodide in a safe form, because you need iodine, you do for sure make the thyroid hormone.
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Now in the gland, you make T four
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which is called thyroid hormone, but it's actually inactive.
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At the receptor. On each cell
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is where an iodine is take
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Going off,
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and you produce the act of T three.
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So T three, also known as Saito, Mel is the active form of thyroid hormone, not t four.
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I'll say it again, I do not recommend the use of T four or thyroxin.
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I recommend either desiccated thyroid from a quality source
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or T three site Mm hmm.
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Because
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the very same people that have auto immunity, very often make reverse T three out of T four,
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which is a reason to give the active T three and not give T four.
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Yeah, and reverse T three used to be very rare, it's now very common.
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And then we get upstream to the Pituitary and the Pineal these are glands in the brain.
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The Pituitary is considered to be the master gland and it sends out signals including to the thyroid to make dioxin,
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if there's enough iodine, if there's enough tyrosine, if there's enough essential antioxidants, and buffering minerals,
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but when the redox when the electrochemical potential of the cell
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which is set by a score date and only ascorbic.
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When you have enough ascorbate, you have a healthy low, what's called redox, which means you're protected from infection.
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In contrast,
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if you lack ascorbate, your redox will be high. And you'll be vulnerable to viral, parasitic, bacterial, and other ailments that are really energetic defects. When you say when you look acidosis, which means low magnesium, and so metabolic acidosis, and antioxidant deficit to little ascorbic? Well, when you say redox Do you Do you mean the oxidation? Do you mean the oxidation state of the cell? Yes. Redox is short for reduction oxidation status. Got it? Okay. Our Healthy redox is low.
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Let's set the Redux. That's very interesting. Dorjee aalverson. Georgie, one of my mentors, said that a score of eight in biology is as important as light and oxygen. That's pretty fundamental. That is the score of eight we need today. And we need nature's ascorbate fully buffered, fully reduced oil. The amounts we need today in the 21st century are very likely to be much higher, much more than were true even 30 or 50 years ago.
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Because there's more stress, there's more toxin exposure, there's more Ultra processing of foods, which should be avoided, of course,
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but in the world we live in today 80% of people are in survival mode. And most of them have auto immunity. Yeah, of some kind or other. I want to make a quick note for people who who have followed me from the quantum biology world. You know, when we talk about redox, in the quantum biology world, people are usually talking about mitochondrial redox.
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Start let's start at the beginning at the cell membrane. The electrochemical potential of the cell is the redox.
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Electrochemical potential. Now inside the cell,
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you must maintain what's called the proton gradient.
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Which means magnesium
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What do you make of proton gradient is required because for the mitochondria to deliver ATP, which is the work molecule of biology for the mitochondria to deliver ATP, it also has to push out a proton
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an acidic
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or acidifying proton
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now, the guy who came up with the proton gradient got the Nobel Prize and deserves it. But it is very important. And what it relates to in a practical sense, is are you getting enough magnesium and I mean enhanced uptake magnesium with choline citrate to correct the choline deficiency that's rampant and
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The citrate at Alcoa Naess. And is a Krebs assault Sir Hans Krebs, another of my mentors
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in biology.
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So yes, we can get inside and talk about the four cytochromes. Very often, the first three cytochromes
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are contaminated with forever, molecules are really refining that the very cytochrome that produces the ATP eventually, with the help of CO q 10. S, the shuttle back very cytochrome is also very important in mitochondrial detoxification. So wait, let me make sure I understood you You mean that the
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the
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electron transport chain and mitochondria, those cytochromes will be disrupted by forever chemicals, and toxic minerals and solvent residues. That's fascinating because most people I feel like today are talking about the effects of endocrine disrupting compounds on hormones. But they're not talking about the effects of these of these of these toxic compounds on these very important basic biophysical energy production pathways. Not yet but it's coming soon. Oh, really, okay.
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At the very highest level of policy walk today,
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this is getting discussed.
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This is beginning to be
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it turns out to be such a big problem.
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That before you can even articulate it in general conversation.
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You have to have a solution. A number of large large apple carts will be upset by this.
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Oh Many.
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Many, many Fortune 500 Apple carts.
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Mmm. Many global Apple carts. Yes.
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At the moment, Mexico has banned our GMO corn.
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Going back to organic and maybe biodynamic
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native corn, wow. Of which there should be hundreds of varieties, right? Not one or two.
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That's just one example.
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DDT, which when I was a youngster, we would ride our bicycles behind this truck that fogged the WoW
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was bathing in DDT. We survived. But I'm amazed that even today when you do a very careful analysis of the environmental contaminants, DDT and dde, PCBs and PB bees, dioxins and molecules that have been banned for decades are still widely present. And we know too little about their effects on biology. There are 104,000 chemicals registered with EPA 4000, only 4000 had been studied at all, and very few have been studied for the synergistic or interactive benefits or risks.
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So yes, when we get to the mitochondrial battery, we find these cytochromes that are very energetic, that require co Q 10 that require a continuous ability to detoxify.
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When a molecule binds to a receptor in a cytochrome and doesn't let go and can't be detoxified that's what's called a forever molecule. So this is one of the reasons why despite I see a lot of normal Coke Utena levels, but people feel a lot better on cookie 10 supplements. Amen.
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CO Q 10 Is the shuttle Carl folkers deserves recognition for calling our attention to it. But it must be mice alized and 100% rice bran oil to get inside the human body. Really, really. Now he showed this. This is known in the literature, but it's
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there are hundreds of Kokyu 10s that are placebos on the market today.
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There are a few koku 10s that are mice alized and 100%. rice bran oil and they do
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remarkable benefits.
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Let's circle back to the thyroid autoimmunity
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because I mean obviously everything we've talked about is relevant to that because if you make all of these mistakes
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In modern life, and you introduce all these chemicals and you have these nutritional deficiencies, you're setting yourself up for autoimmunity. One of the things I've been struck by is how many people eat a healthy, nourishing diet, they sleep well, they do all the things like red light therapy and meditation, and yet they come to me struggling with their thyroid goes up, it goes down, and they don't feel right. And then we look at their antibody levels, and they're very high. And one of the things I think is going on is a lot of people in the integrative medicine world are over replaced on thyroid hormone.
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I'm curious if you believe that's the case, or have you seen that in the literature, which I think I don't think it's well reported in the literature. I just have seen that anecdotally. So here, I quote Bruce Weintraub, the man who introduced silent thyroiditis, which means the thyroid is under repair deficit, assault, and the person is still pretty functional. But as you said, They're up a little too much, they're down a little too much. They're homeostasis, their ability to self regulate, is being lost and sacrificed to the auto immunity.
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So my solution
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is a makeover in your kitchen, in your personal care and in your bedroom. So that you do get restorative sleep.
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So that you reduce by about 80%. These forever molecule toxins
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so that you you reduced by 80%, your exposure to them, right, and the remaining 20% you up your antioxidants and buffering minerals, and choline citrate and poly finolex and vitamin D, and iodine and so forth a comprehensive lifestyle program
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to recognize that this is a dangerous 21st century in which we can thrive if we are very proactive, or just barely survive, which is what 80% of people today are doing. And let's talk about the problem with allergy and autoimmune testing. Because as you and I have talked about, you know, the world is full of people offering antibody testing for allergies. And many people will will do these very simple, very affordable antibody tests. And they'll say, oh, my gosh, I quit gluten, and my thyroid got better or I quit dairy and my thyroid, my acne went away. Thyroid problems and acne went away. But you and I both know, one of the reasons I wanted to talk to you is that it's much more complicated than just do you have antibodies to something and we already talked about how just because you have antibodies to your thyroid gland doesn't mean that your body has lost its mind and is totally off the rails, it means you have a repair deficit. Yes, let's talk or and expand on on the how our immune responses to foods and environmental toxins and allergens can then create Well, now you have to get to a cell culture, you have to get to talking to the cells and having them communicate with you about whether they are programmed to see as a foreign invader, certain foods, preservatives, chemicals, toxins, medications, there are 512 items that we can test for using a lymphocyte response assay. A cell culture,
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as you correctly said, if you take any serum sample, and think you're going to get meaningful information about the immune defense and repair system, you're deceiving yourself or being deceived. Now, I think that well intended doctors want something that's simple. And you just put out your hand and give a specimen.
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And there are a certain number of there have been hundreds, there have been hundreds of studies that show
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that if you're measuring serum, you can detect the presence or absence of an antibody.
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But you cannot tell whether it's a good or a bad antibody, you cannot tell if it's a Complement Fixing harmful antibody, or if it's a neutralizing beneficial antibody, you need a lymphocyte response assay to do that. And then you need to be able to detect immune complexes and T cell responses. And again, a cell culture can do that an antibody test cannot a serum test can. Right I think that's a key. There's some key points that you made in there that I think a lot of people may miss, which is we're not just looking at with the lymphocyte response assay. What the antibody levels are because an antibody level is just the presence or absence and the abundance of an antibody. When we're thinking about this, we're really thinking about in terms of how the immune system is functioning, is it functioning to create
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Eat illness, or is it functioning to do its appropriate job. And it's more than just the antibodies. It's due the lymphocytes, the Cytotoxic cells and other elements the immune response reacts to this
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component of the environment diet. There was a scientist in the earliest days of the immune system being understood, named Lucerne, and his Nobel address his Nobel talk, he titled The generative grammar of the immune defense and repair system.
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In Chinese medicine, we talk about the Governing Vessel.
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In Chinese medicine, there is not a separate neuro chemical, hormonal and immune system, they're all inter dependent.
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As someone who did seven years of apprenticeship in TCM, I can confirm that there is a Governing Vessel.
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That includes what we have taken apart as neuro chemistry, hormones, and immune defense and repair and platelets, it turns out,
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because platelets are activated by collagen, to release neuro hormones and chemicals, to release inducers of detoxification, platelets are really quite remarkable.
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And I've been studying platelets since about 1970.
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The message is very simple.
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In the 21st century, you need to take a high tech and high touch approach.
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You need the high tech of the lymphocyte response. So culture, but then you need someone to say what does this mean in what I eat and drink, think and do.
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And we have the answers there because we've
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we've analyzed about 100,000 specimens, which means 30 million cell cultures.
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And with the help of a questionnaire, we can give a lifestyle suggestion that is personalized, and
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specific.
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And we have done outcome studies, we've done type one diabetes and type two diabetes as the classic autoimmune conditions. In both cases, we lowered starting from best standard of care, according to the American Diabetes Association.
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And compared with a control group,
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the experimental group have a reduction of more than one full percent in hemoglobin a one C, in
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which is a lot. I mean, if we're talking we're talking about it, that means adding 20 to 30 years of quality life to their, to their life. Wow. Yeah, and that's a that's really important for people to understand that sounds a 1% doesn't sound like a lot, but hemoglobin a one C tends to vary from about 4.5 On the very, very, very low end up to you know, 13 or 15. And the truly catastrophically hyperglycaemic People who are basically in and out of the emergency room every four or five days with hyperglycemia. And so for you to get a 1% drop in something that really has a 10 point spread is like a 10% improvement in relative terms, I can tell you for full disclosure that my hemoglobin a valency since I lost weight has been 5% for the last 10 years. Yeah.
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And if you keep your hemoglobin a one C at about 5%
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You will have a better than 98% chance of living 10 or more years. And so let's talk about that. Because what you're implying and this is very important, right? So so one of the things that I I struggled to convey to my patients because it's such a big thing a big deal is that this test because it helps you understand what your maladaptive immune responses are to really helps your whole neuro endocrine axis in a complex way that has many different cascades and I know this because you know I would have a patient and this was the tough thing about the test as many people would get it and not feel any better. But we know physiologically that there's a lot of value in the test because if they stick with the elimination diet and regimen that's prescribed based on the results, they'll gradually see benefits accrue over time, some of which were not obviously related to an allergic process, headaches, abdominal pain, nausea, what gets labeled as IBS, other inflammatory or autoimmune diseases, their needs for certain medications, environmental allergies mean all kinds of things will get better and the link
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To the agency and why the metabolism, you really can't separate metabolism from immunity, that would be like trying to separate the transmission of your car from the engine, you could do it, but you can't have one without the other. And if either breaks down, the other can then end up with a cascade of effects that ruins it as well. And so that's why I love this test and why, you know, I bother sitting down and talking to you about it, because we see this cascade of benefits to patients, that really they are kind of set up by modern society and, and medicine with its reductionistic approach to not understand or anticipate. And it also sets them up for failure. Because if they get the test, and they don't understand the true value of it, they'll avoid, you know, this or that or the other food or chemical that they're positive to on the test. And then they'll say, Well, you know, I didn't see a benefit after two or three days. So I just went ahead and ate it or, you know, restarted my, my personal care routine with the products that had it in it. And I say, No, you don't understand, you really should give this a three to six month window before you judge the benefits. And the reason and this is the other big reason why I do the test. The only way for me to really see the benefits without the test is to get people to empirically as in without evidence, eliminate things from their diet and lifestyle. So you spend three weeks off or on a different, you know, toothpaste and okay, well which one well is it are we going to eliminate all the different ingredients, you got to spend three weeks off of one food at a time, if you do that you can only eliminate something like, you know, a couple dozen foods in a year empiric elimination in a world of 1000s and 1000s and 1000s of ingredients and food additives and fillers and preservatives and dough conditioners, anti humectants and desiccants is insane. It becomes very complicated. You have to go basically to a single ingredient diet. And what I'll tell people about their personal care products is just stop using them for two or three months and women look at me when I say that, like I've absolutely lost my mind. And so that, again is why I like this test. It allows us to do a targeted elimination diet. That pound for pound is going to give you the best value without running around trying to guess what's making you sick because it's really been remarkable to me. I've had people had a gentleman this past summer, you know he he paused tested positive for chicken, he eliminated chicken, all of a sudden he drops two inches off of his waist and his IBS symptoms go away. I could never have predicted the chicken of all things was going to create this problem for him. Let me tell you a story about chicken.
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Right. This has to do with the Mayo Clinic. Boy, Dr. Walter Alvarez was the Chief of Medicine at the Mayo Clinic under the mayo brothers. This was way back.
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He published an article in JAMA, the journal the American Medical Association that suggested that some people had an allergic delayed hypersensitivity response to chicken.
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And they should avoid chicken.
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His peers at the Mayo Clinic
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censured him for suggesting that a food could cause harm.
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On the day that he was to be censured.
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Walt Mayo himself came by and said, Walter, that's the most important thing that's ever come out of the Mayo Clinic because I, when I eat chicken, I can't even give my talk.
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So he wasn't centered. But he did decamped to San Francisco where he wrote many books and led a wonderful life. Yeah, but you have to be careful when you speak truth to power. Yeah, well, it's funny, you know, it's, for better or for worse. Medicine has a way of creating a culture where the best new ideas are invariably opposed with great vigor and even even outright vehemence.
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Well, in the reductionist world, you posited that most medicine is
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de Cartesian and reductionistic. And that is a very limiting to your scientific integrity, or your ability to understand molecular biology and then get into quantum mechanics. Oh, God, I know.
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I am convinced that we have to give up the mistake that reductionism has imposed upon us
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week
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and look
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to the Orient. TCM doesn't have this mistake.
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We can look to wisdom traditions.
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Buddhism,
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the Talmud, Jewish
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the Cloud of Unknowing Christian
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I think this is the time we have to bring science and spirit together
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one may or may not be religious, but you need to be spiritual. Hmm. Yeah.
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Religion is a choice religion was a choice. And you know, I tend to be Jewish, Buddhist.
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But there are certain ethical, cultural values that need to be restored, if we're going to survive. Yeah, and we see this in real terms in the practice, because, and this really became apparent in the last year or so I would say, you know, we had certain cases and patients where the biochemical and you know, we don't tend to fall into a reductionistic model, with what I do is because of how I am and how I've trained,
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but even when you get into the functional medicine world and integrative medicine training, there is still a tendency to think okay, well, we're going to add these herbs and the supplement and this, you know, lifestyle change and acupuncture and there's still a failure sometimes to engage people on what I would call is a spiritual, emotional, psychosomatic, you could call it a lot of different things level. And there has to be a appreciation for the fact that your relationships, how you relate to other people, how you relate to yourself, the things you believe, create your reality. This is the whole obviously Bruce Lipton Biology of Belief, the Rupert Sheldrake.
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What's his book,
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morphic resonance hypothesis? These and this is where, you know, when I see cases about allergy and autoimmunity, one of the big questions we have to ask is, you know, how are your relationships? Are you around toxic people toxic emotional environments? frequently? The answer is yes. There's some kind of unhealthy lifestyle or
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emotional choice going on. And I think that's, you know, even if you just look at the raw epidemiology of this, for example, working at night is very bad for your immune system, your overall health, your hormones, a great way to develop an autoimmune disease, who tends to work at night, people who are in high stress, high pressure positions, and people who are doing things that are not spiritually healthy, right, when is the nightclub most busy, when is the strip club off, you know, busiest, right, and we'll get people coming in who are sick with diseases. And if you don't talk to them about these things, right, their bad habits, their vices, the things they're resorting to, in order to deal with their own unresolved emotional issues, you will not get the traction you want. And you'll chase things with well, intention, I'll be right with supplements and lifestyle changes, and also with good testing, right. But if you spend six months a year, trying to fix people with labs, lifestyle, diet changes, without talking to them about what's really bothering them, you're gonna miss a lot of people and you're gonna get a lot of repeat lab testing. That's not going to get you anywhere, it's not gonna get you any more leverage and improvement for the patient than if you just, you know, then the first round, so to speak. I early in conversations with people.
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I want them to understand that this is a marathon, not a sprint.
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How many years did it take to get into your office?
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More than a few? Yeah, it's going to take more than 20 minutes to correct.
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We have experience with choosing life
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which means self care.
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Because it turns out that epi genetics lifestyle is 92% of your lifetime health.
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8% is transgenerational and genomic and you can blame mom and dad for that. But 92% is what you do. And most of the genetic dispositions and risks can be mitigated with epigenetic lifestyle intelligently applied.
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And then I asked them, Do they have any reason why they want to live?
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And most of the time, there is something they want to live for.
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or to accomplish or to see happen or to be in relationship with.
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And relationship can mean people
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I favor the term Sangha, which means virtual intentional family.
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I have a person in every decade of life as part of my 1011 person Sangha
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and it enriches my life to have little windows every once in a while on their lives and they on mine
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or have a garden
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my permaculture biodynamic food forest in the front yard has 250 edible plants and we eat out of the garden
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because fresh from the garden is even better than fresh from the grocery absolutely and processed No, just stop Ultra processed anything I know including
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from my point of view, some relaxation response or meditative practice or mindfulness practice or prayer
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is a requirement to survive the stresses of high tech living
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I agree.
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In the same sense, many people exercise very few people stretch I would much rather have you stretch than do more exercise. Now I am in favor of balance of homeostasis of self regulation throughout all of biology, including in my personal world.
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So I happen to be a contemplative sort. So I have to find reasons to get up and go out and see what right now the nectarine is in full bloom. I wish I could show it to you.
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But it gives me great joy to go out and see nature nurturing me and itself
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and so each year we enrich the garden. We have mushroom gills in the backyard
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and so I have tried in this rather nice zip code to show that you don't need to have a big lawn but you can have fruit bearing trees and an herb garden or a vegetable garden.
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We have a Galera great Galera are used to make Prosecco, but we have one Galera grape that has taken over the arbor. Yeah.
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Um,
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my joy in living includes being in relationship
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with life.
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And the more alive things are, the more you follow the guidance of Beatrice from Hunter than nutritionist who said,
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Eat foods that spoil rot and mold, but eat them before they do.
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When I go to the green grocer, I probably very rarely go down the aisles. Rarely. Mostly I shopped around the edge of the store where you might find food.
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But for example, chicken eggs are so contaminated, even the organic ones that I recommend you get goose eggs, duck eggs, or quail eggs. Really, what's the contaminant that you're mainly concerned with? Well, the main contaminant that I'm concerned about is the arsenic, even in the organic eggs. But more than that, the microplastic which is now being measured in substantial amount, in almost all including organic
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eggs. Wow.
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Wow. It turns out that goose eggs and duck eggs and quail eggs are
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more unusual. They haven't been manipulated as much, huh?
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So yes, I do occasionally like an omelet, but it's going to be a goose or a duck. Egg.
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Yeah.
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And that's just one example of this makeover going back to nature, nurture and wholeness. Yeah, right.
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I pick a bell pepper.
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And I put in the cart with no plastic around it.
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We need to stop our addiction to plastic
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as soon as possible.
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Yeah, in my home, there's glass. There's ceramics. There's bamboo. There's a variety of natural substances.
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There's almost no package and almost no plastic.
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Let's bring this back to the
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thyroid and autoimmunity
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topic, right? Because everything, you know, obviously you just said is I mean, I think people are coming around to that, particularly in the integrative natural medical world, right, the importance of it cannot be overstated. But to bring it back to the immune immune response, right, because people will still come to me and they'll say, I'm doing all those things, but my levels are still high. Well, are you really using nature's ascorbate? And polyphenolics? Are you really using vitamin d3? Not the two, are you really getting enough iodine and iodide, and
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rolling citrate and so forth, but we can provide to people
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self tests for self assessment, including how much ascorbate antioxidant you need to cleanse?
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Are you well hydrated, most people are one to 3% dehydrated, which is a terrible stress on your liver, kidneys clean art long.
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What's your vitamin D level?
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Most people in America
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are less than 20, which puts them at rest at risk of pain and autoimmunity and many other neuro endocrine dysfunctions because we call it vitamin D, but it's really a neuro hormone. It regulates cell proliferation, that's kind of important. And you should be in the 50 to 80 range. And mostly, that means taking drops under the tongue before swallowing. Because
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at least 40 million, maybe more than that. Americans have enough atrophy, and enteropathy in their digestive tract that they don't absorb vitamin D from their gut. So they can take it. But it still doesn't get in.
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And on that, on that note.
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Even if, let's say you're doing all those things, the proper identification of things that you are having a deleterious harmful, maladaptive immune response to with the lymphocyte response assay is extremely helpful. It's not a silver bullet. But well, no, no, I did all of these things. I just see people getting such good results. You want personalized and
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scientifically validated lifestyle.
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Corrections? Yeah, I explained to people, that's the key to consistency right. Now, many people say, Well, I'm interested in this, I'm interested in that many things, we struggled to quantify the consistency of them. Right? You know, I can't tell you how consistently your acupuncturist will get people, let alone you results. And that's why when people come to me, what I'm looking for is the most consistent, reproducible, well validated tools. So start,
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start with a for self assessment and move on to the eight predictive biomarkers that should be interpreted to their best outcome goal value, not to some statistical range. Yeah, but these eight tests, just a test cover all of epigenetics they give you insight into all aspects of lifestyle. Yeah. And bulletin. Many people have a hemoglobin a one C more than 5%. They have an hscrp above 0.5. They have a homocysteine that's above six. Yeah, they're lymphocyte Response Essay says their body is reacting against itself in certain specific ways. Right? Their vitamin D level isn't 50 to 80 yet, but it could be their Omega three index isn't 8% or more. It needs to be by taking more omega three and less Omega six, less Ultra processed more whole more seeds and nuts.
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If you actually follow my guidance, you'll go edible oil free, you will not have any cow dairy products and you will not have any meat because high on the food chain is where the contamination is the worst. That's true. That's true. Oh no, it's true. It may or may not be a bulletin this might reinforce what you already know. I'm so glad to have this conversation with you. Because we should perhaps talk for a minute or two about the pituitary and pineal because they trying to control some aspects of the thyroid. So assuming the thyroid has
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Enough of the building blocks doesn't get the signal, which comes at night, during restorative sleep. There are four stages to sleep. One of those is called Rapid Eye Movement, REM sleep. These are five minute intervals when most of your pituitary release occurs, this goes to the thyroid and all the other endocrine organs, and hopefully stimulates your immune defense and repair system to repair. And we use the aura ring in order to help people see what their sleep quality really is a min. So the first three or four of these sleep cycles that are about 90 minutes each. That's when your surveillance system gets a signal to eliminate abnormal cells
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and to repair what needs repair, including the thyroid blood barrier.
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Absolutely, then the pineal is driven by green rather than blue.
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And so I recommend a green dichro Light
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20 minutes
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while doing abdominal breathing and or relaxation response.
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I would say you do that during the day. Yes, you can do that during the day. But the only light source should be the green bulb.
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If possible, I recommend a room that is
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dark.
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But this very important. It's not about the intensity of the green light. It's about the ratio of green to blue. We have too much blue in our society in general and in specific. That's why there are blue blocker glasses that
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you may or may not want. But ah
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the
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pineal is driven by the green to blue ratio.
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Eyes open eyes closed changes the intensity doesn't change the ratio. Very interesting. I've never read that. This was taught to me by a Cambodian Buddhist monk named Bhante DOM Awara
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based on Edwin Babbage work in the late 19th century. There is a whole literature on light
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and health. No, I know. There was a guy named Faber Viren, who made a whole career out of saying you should paint this or that color on your walls.
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That's an aspect, but this green dichro bulb produces pure Chroma. This was originally produced for theater. Then Bhante, the monk figured out that the imbalance of too much blue light today and too much screen time today required the use of counterbalancing green light.
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We use a lot
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of practice for this, do what we use a lot of red and infrared light in the practice for this. That's another level of the game. But green to blue turns out to also be harmonizing. It helps your homeostasis, your self regulation. Your ability to
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be resilient is enhanced when you take the screen dichro light and practice abdominal breathing. Hmm.
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Well, thank you for joining me. It's great to see you. Oh, and if people have a question this time, the time has flown by. I hope that people come away encouraged that you can thrive in the 21st century. If you follow the guidance that you provide.
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Agreed
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Secrets of Thyroid Autoimmunity with Dr. Russell Jaffe